Stop Me Before I Vote Again

Do you find hoping for a specific result in an election is effective? Is it the same thing as praying for a result?

Why hope for a Republican victory in Arkansas, anyhow? Even if the Halter candidacy is pre-qualified for the betrayal and disappointment of his supporters, why hope for another barnacle-like Republican?
Is it the case that being anti-Democrat is by default being pro-Republican in an election where no more suitable candidate appears?

Consider why the electorate (possibly) and the (despised) Progressive groups have abandoned Lincoln.

boink

i really couldn't care less as long as lincoln loses in the primary
a point is scored by the people of ar-kansas

op,
have you seen this?

http://blogs.barrons.com/stockstowatchtoday/2010/03/08/cnbc-stiglitz-says-fed-corrupted-by-banks/

a little less milquetoast than usual.

right u are bob

attacking the very structure of the fed
exposing it's bankers' control mechanisms
can't help but move the ball down field

the reforms he endorses by analogy
are prolly about the same as those
in the mix for the final health reform package
after the pub op was hacked off

no public depository option
let alone a single depository system
and no public default insurer option
again let alone a single insurer system

given the realities here
and the inevitable focus on the top dogs here
and even though "the science "of it all
is prolly wrong
---and definitely reactionary too--
i back the populist cry
"cut em down to size "
and of course the independent financial products agency
--albeit not clear whether this includes
products directed at the corporate sector as
well as the household sector --

an institutionalized resolution mechanism
is surely in order and founded on good science
and the sector funding of same by fees tied to portfolio risk
of course is also green light stuff

amounts to a pwog-pop alliance
since only pro bank types will opose any of it
after the recent debacle

default insurance btw
is a perfect single provider candidate

but of course greater leverage calls
and transparency calls for the "pure market " solution for such insurance leaves room for
reality to stay the same in essence

aig => pig

and the whole operation oughta be set up as a public purveyor
of default insurance

of course it would drive out the privates in no time i suspect
again a close analogy arises to health care

only tyese are the real big boys
not the pikers presently running private health insurance

a tax on security transactions looks likely to get no where
despite its 40 trillion dollar base

such a tax could be algorithmed
using some nicely contrived state of traffic
based
log function
that rises and falls
like utlity rates for electricity
oughta rise and fall over the demand cycle
or much as toll gate rates over the commute cycle

runs are a kind of congesstion

and price dynamics could be subject to speeding tickets
of course with reverse speed rates
being of equal concern
u'd make that a two way ordinance

i prefer to regulate products and markets to regulating firms
other than compensation packages for top executives
which ought to be considered
"products "
needing regulation for sure
----

as to equity rings ie leverage gearing

with well functioning compulsory insurance markets why bother to care ???

the equity heads and the bond heads are all outside heads here
suckers and dummies
or sociopathic opportunists
unindictable co conspirators
"hair cuts " thru the neck

"off with all their 'eads eh mate "

people put too much faith in transparency

frauds can be contrived in broad day ling

but never fear we need class based show trials
so long as the penalty for fraud and looting is a very public trial with very harsh consequences ..
its good for the public ratings
of any nasty d of p operation
a rev party i might join
plans on setting up
come the day

Boink, why do you imagine that the outcome of a Congressional election in Arkansas will matter? Have you been paying attention to the way this society works?

P.S. The Republicans are to the left of the Democrats on health care at this point. Unintentionally, admittedly. But true nevertheless.

MD: I don't.

Just rattling op's cage over his rain dance for red-meat Republicans.

And I also like having D. majorities and White Houses because it makes their excuses for not doing anything helpful for the people more pathetic and obvious.

Boink, I think that's something Cockburn argued, that Seattle 1999 happened largely because a D was in power. I bought it then, but don't now. Seattle probably would have been bigger and more lasting under Republicans. And Zerobama is spending progressive race energy on empire, too.

And it's also hard to overstate the de-mobilizing impact of 9/11, which both "parties" agree on 100 percent. Thanks for that, peckerwood Islamists.

Meanwhile, you continue to contrast the two "parties" for some reason, even tossing in "red meat" as an adjective to the contrast. Why? Based on what?

but never fear we need class based show trials
so long as the penalty for fraud and looting is a very public trial with very harsh consequences ..

op, do you remember Milken and Boesky?

MD, Where I converse in person, many people have insisted that the D.'s couldn't do anything when they got a majority in the House, because GWB and the Senate, without filibuster-proof D. majorities, were roadblocks to important policy goals. They don't say that anymore. At least some don't. This seems like progress to me.

It is educational for long-frustrated, mature, left leaning D.'s to see Obama and his congressional leadership team implement the GWB policies. Some may even find their way here, where you can lead them to the true truth.

As for two parties... they differ in their electoral bases to the extent that D-base voters don't vote R and vice versa. I think the D-base are educable if sufficiently screwed over. And they are going be IMO, by the D's. But, redundantly, they need to SEE that the screwing over is by the D's, because they are so habituated to blaming everything they don't like on R's.

OP came up with "red-meat", not I.

"And Zerobama is spending progressive race energy on empire, too."

MD, I don't get the quoted sentence and would like to. Please rephrase, thanks.

But that night
When on my bed I lay, I was most mov'd
And felt most deeply in what world I was;
With unextinguish'd taper I kept watch,
Reading at intervals; the fear gone by
Press'd on me almost like a fear to come;
I thought of those September Massacres,
Divided from me by a little month,
And felt and touch'd them, a substantial dread;
The rest was conjured up from tragic fictions,
And mournful Calendars of true history,
Remembrances and dim admonishments.
"The horse is taught his manage, and the wind
Of heaven wheels round and treads in his own steps,
Year follows year, the tide returns again,
Day follows day, all things have second birth;
The earthquake is not satisfied at once"
And in such a way I wrought upon myself,
Until I seem'd to hear a voice that cried,
To the whole City, "Sleep no more."

ugh wordsworth enemy of the lake people

the boesky trial faced a corporate press
not a d of p party manipulated press
hell i'd turn it into pink glibert and sullivan

trial by hangin' moood jury

operetta in the moscow "purge" style

"The horse is taught his manage, and the wind
Of heaven wheels round and treads in his own steps,
Year follows year, the tide returns again,
Day follows day, all things have second birth;
The earthquake is not satisfied at once"

good stuff i must say

boink
i afaux gree the D's in power is eye open time
and of course some pwogs learn from this
faux feckless act

but the real conquest is of the fear one feels at the contemplation of rethug restoration

" apres obummer ..le duluge "
now that's nonsense

boink its quite a test
to face a choice between defeating a blanche
lincoln or a jimmy carter by a left challenge that unsaddles the party and allows
a market street visigoth
to mount the steed of state

chomsky suggest to us
working objectively for
the worse outcome
to teach the people a lesson
shows contempt
for the likely greater suffering of the masses

its a tough call
but one by one we must make it

smbiva suggests
we redirect our work else where
then into filling the ballot sump
and let the devil take the "high" road
at the hustings

"its quite a test to face a choice...."
Is this a suggestion that Halter will be to Lincoln what Teddy was to Carter? " If so, that was not the point I tried to make. I imagined that Halter won and helped the D's continue to educate the Pwogs.

"chomsky suggest(s) to us...."
Yes, right after (or before) recommending that swing state voters vote for Obama, a D. I would be pleased to see Halter, a D, win, to help continue the education. I don't see the R's as PREFERABLE in any way, in fact, essentially the same as the D's, with the one proviso, that the D-base, R-despising voter will not wake up to the game if the R's are in charge of the screwing over. I have in mind MJS's Jewish lady neighbor mentioned in "SMBIVA: the Book".

"smbiva suggests we redirect our work else where then into filling the ballot sump and let the devil take the "high" road at the hustings"
Doesn't this put op's original post about hoping "the seat goes red-meat Republican come fall" into an odd place logically? Or psychologically?

Boink, I'll take a stab at explaining Mr Dawson's statement.

He's saying it's a progressive urge to get Black folks into power, for racial parity... and this urge is wasted on Obama, who has no intention of bringing racial parity of the type progressives SEEM to want.

But perhaps I should follow Jesus of Nazareth's caution here and note that progressives should be known by their deeds and not wants/words. In this instance I would suggest that Pete and Pedantia Pwoggie really want corporate capitalism (soft fascism) with a half-Black face, especially when the half-Black face belongs to a man with such an exotic name and background, and such a merit-exalting resume.

In other words, they don't want to move an inch off the corporate capitalist dime, they just want it to LOOK humane and merit-based. They didn't like Bush's cowboying or Cheney's crass, snarling dismissal, but they'll take the same fucking agenda from a half-Black smoothie with an exotic name.

"Doesn't this put op's original post about hoping "the seat goes red-meat Republican come fall" into an odd place logically? Or psychologically"

either left challenger beats blanche
or
left challenger loses primary

if she wins primary she ought to
be too weakened ala jimmy carter
to beat a strong repug in the fall

if the jowl prince prog here somehow wins the primary
...well he'll get killed in the general for sure ...right ???

either way the only bad result that is possible

she wins the primary and somehow wins the general

liebsey style
that is the consideration that prompted
the red meat "wish upon a star "

not sure anything very unusual here

knock out blanche regardless of the repub seat a challenge might produce

the chomsky point is predicated on the pure ameliorative value of a white hat emperor
not clear it extends to a white hat congress
this is an empire the unitary potus is all that really matters melioration wise
and the white hat here really really has to exagerate to claim a dimes worth of difference

one needs to watch the cycle here

the empire suffered a set back under
the toy emperor bush

time for some easy lifting only
at the fronteer
regardless of the color
of the emperor's ten gallon hat
just like after the kold war was "won"
clinton could look multilateral for a spell
but old bush had already moved that way
and the vietnam war was "lost"
so ford pulled in horns even before
jimmy had his white hat moments
but i note jfk and jimmy carter and clinton all
extended the empire's reach before they left office
despite early contraries in the latter two cases

" shockingly "
the jfk parallel is sickeningly
the most apt here with O'bummer

his whIte hat never even had
a substantive moment at at all

if by some wild spasm of fate
halter not only brings blanche down but gets hisseff elected

why i'll dance like a two peckered billy goat
but that is really wishing on a star

i repeat
only bad outcome blanche struggles thru to final victory ala the bridgeport muppet

Ox covered the point I had in mind, Boink.

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