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Owen on the General Will

By Michael J. Smith on Wednesday December 5, 2007 06:29 AM

(Originally posted, as a comment, by Owen Paine, but too good to forget.

Owen is notoriously an admirer of the eloquent and laconic Archy, and his characteristic mode of presentation has been respectfully preserved. -- Editor)

"what if the People are too stupid to know their own best interests?"

do you know your "own best interests"?

i doubt i do

aren't best interests forever
over the horizon of social thought?

we can
only know what has been discovered
by our collective actions, right?

in fact
i hold the possibilities
in our ignorance of what's best for us
to be ultimately
we the People's favor

my piss off credo:

in the sublime notion
of people's gubmint
we have
the only sound application
of white america's
favorite moral imperative

"take responsibility"

taken itself
to its own highest station
it actually has social application
that is to say
at the level of the whole people
the wholesomeness
of this imperative
is acutely and self evidently true

the people ever and always
by their collective actions
and or inactions
self determining

whether they
know it or not
like it or not
fear it or not

whether they back slide
or not
along the way
turn in circles
run from their destiny
a drunk from pink elephants

they... we...
are bound to reach eden eventually
we just can't stop it from happening
we got no exit from our "quest"
even if
we must for a very very long spell
and then some
pay for the loops and knottings
in our passage
with nasty installments of blood
and pain
and constant ground rent of misery

have faith
in the one thing
we are familiar with
that's actually
worthy of our faith

the people

we are our own
gods and avatars
devils dickheads and dolls

always almighty
right or wrong
active marching mode
or on our knees
in passive worship of our illusions

have hope
in the workings of endless time

we will discover and rediscover
every one of our possibilities
over and over
in the fullness of time
our bataan march
thru incarnations
of bondage and liberation
will so much wise us up
that i
owen claymore paine
enough in fact in our capacity
for self rule
that eventually
our millenia of class folly
will serve as a jest
among our distant
eloi offspring

Comments (3)


what if the People are too stupid to know their own best interests?

Wrong question. Turn it around, and instead ask: does stupidity serve the self-interest of the people? Or: is ignorance strength?

In fact, the readiness on the part at least a significant minority of the general population to accept indoctrination, combined with sufficient ruthlessness and deceit on the part of their rulers together form an instrument of power for the society as a whole. (The majority think of the soldier as 'noble', while people like Kissinger see them as stupid pawns...)

To the extent that this power is directed successfully against other societies, ignorance can literally be strength.

While we're paraphrasing Hitler, we might as well recall his remark about how people find it hard to be consciously evil. The problem is that we have this thing called a conscience which may be a practical necessity for a livable society, but which becomes completely superfluous at the level of whole societies, hence the otherwise inexplicable notion that 'we' bomb the daylights out of 'them' out of altruism.

Such ideas don't spring from stupidity, per se, although they have most of their appeal among the stupid, or persons who allow emotion more or less complete freedom to dictate the contents of their minds.


"To the extent that this power is directed successfully against other societies, ignorance can literally be strength."

great line
mephisto laing

yes stupid is relative
ignorant is absolute ...

indeed a far better rock to stand on

but maybe you deduce
too much from this

maybe you confuse
a large part of the people
a large part of the time
for lincoln's conjecture

you only confirm
your sense of radical majority depravity
by a counter example
to the wisdsdom of the people conjecture
not an unbiased sampling
of clio's record book

lets belabor the obvious here

human class cloven history
proceeds thru its very contradictions
the empires thug units from the metrapole are indeed a class eddy
so what complexity only makes the final scenes more gratifying

then again
the point of history
is to make it
not just enjoy it ..right ??

a state of affairs
like we have
with a gaggle of class cloven societies
of uneven size and development
on an etnically fragmented unevenly resourced planet ... why ....
given even the golden fact
that ignorance comes in mutually antagonistic class and ethnic forms ...
there will be contrary to pour soi actions by classes

that classes acting at
cross purposes with itself
will come
to an awakening clash
and a rebirth of mission and agency
is only
an uncertainty as to when and how

now lets debate whether or not
the history of class society
can be said to proceed somewhere
world historically speaking that is


"..persons who allow emotion more or less complete freedom to dictate
the contents of their minds."
that on the otrher hand
is not a very good line
it buckles under its own nullifying
conviction is an emotion
or it privileges some emotions over others

spock syndrome ???

wing nut cults
and left lobo mutterings
both never travel far from
the kool logic and fact stoked
eagle's nest

i'm sure u agree with me

crusoe heads of all flavors and texture
be damned

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